Originally by: rock crawlermne

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Edited by: rock crawlermne on 26/01/2011 00:33:58
I'm sure ccp will eventually see this thread

bump it up!!!

EDIT: almost 50 thousand views....thats more then most stickies!!!
CCP, assuming that's 50k different people...each paying 15 bucks a month...you have 3/4 of a MILLION US dollers in profit yelling out...please at least comment on this.

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Originally by: L A G

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Looks like sansha are actually putting and effort in killing botters and RMT

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Originally by: 1ee7W4rr10z

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I'd like to point out that you spelt fed wrong in the thread title

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Originally by: Elanor Vega

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Edited by: Elanor Vega on 30/01/2011 12:36:33
there is Anti Bot Petition in Assembly Hall too:


[Request] Anti Bot Petition


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Originally by: Optimus Night

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For me it comes always back to this point:


Botters/Macros have an unfair advantage against "honest" players. This is a fact!!!

Everyone who opposes this must be affilated in some sort to Botters/Macros or is just plain stupid.

Just read this Interview: http://www.evenews24.com/2010/12/08/rmt-uncovered-the-interview/

"How much roughly you sold to players over the whole time period? (in isk and dollars/euros )

roughly in 9 months 1.2 trillion isk for around 55k euro"

Big alliances tolerate and/or use Bots/Macros. CCP knows this and does nothing against it(or we dont know about it)
Tells me and every other honest player: No chance to suceed at eve without cheating

If I move to 0.0 sec I cant suceed ever cause Alliances will use isk which was generated through Bots/Macros to fight me. I cant win against this behaviour ever cause the hours a day me and other honest players play does never ever match the hours Bots/Macros can generate ISK.

This frustrates me. So why even bothering building up a industrial backbone over many months when I will never have the chance to succeed against those using Bots/Macros.

ATM I want to quit but hate to throw away all the time (and REAL money) I invested.


CCP? THINK! Ban those Bots/Macros and make the Game/client safe and fair to use for everyone. If this means that some parts of the game need to be changed/lost - so be it otherwise this will turn into bot online!

The backbone of this game are not the Bots/Macros.

We the honest players are the base of this game. We do pay your jobs. Without us Eve is nothing!

Loose some money banning and stopping the Bots/Macros and earn even more in making eve an even better and fair game as it is(was). Please!

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Originally by: Valcerus

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I hate bots, it makes me feel bad knowing that all the effort I put in to make my hard earned isk has been doubled by a bot next to me.

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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow

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Edited by: Grey Stormshadow on 12/03/2011 14:06:14

Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com exposed
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/09/in-isk-we-trust-iskbank-com-exposed-thousand-of-customers-outed/

Evenews24.com - Client list
http://www.evenews24.com/2010/03/09/iskbank-com-client-list/

Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com/ru Client List: Revised Edition
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/11/iskbank-com-client-list-revised-edition/

Evenews24.com - official revised Iskbank customer list @ googledocs
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Atu22IqpENk5dFMzMzAwWTdNX1lXelVpUUFlOWt0U1E&hl=en&authkey=CNK1-84L

Evenews24.com article - Customers speak out
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/10/iskbank-com-customers-speak-out/

GM Grimmi's comment about the issue
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1479579&page=5#132

Related:

CCP Sreegs posts about rmt, botting and upcoming announcements in fanfest.
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1426740/author/CCP%20Sreegs

TenTonHammer article - The Daily Grind: Have you ever bought gold?
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/03/12/the-daily-grind-have-you-ever-bought-gold/

Elsewhere:

Massively article - EVE ISK buyers outed in database leak
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/03/10/eve-isk-buyers-outed-in-database-leak/#

Slashdot article - In Isk We Trust: the EVE Online IskBank Exposed
http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/03/10/1712207/In-Isk-We-Trust-the-EVE-Online-IskBank-Exposed

mmorpg.com article - EVE Online News - Iskbank.com Exposed
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadNews/19890/Iskbankcom-Exposed

TenTonHammer article - EVENews24 Exposes Iskbank Scandal, Thousands of Customers Outed
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/96325

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Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod

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Originally by: VaMei

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Worse is their record on enforcing the ELUA, allowing blatant violations to go without answer long enough that illegal activities become common enough that broader game play is based on it. The implication is that it's allowed, or at worst so loosely enforced that no one considers the possibility of getting caught.

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Exactly, then when they take a hard line with the rules, they stand to lose a ****load of ppl, so they take the "slow burn" thing and tell everyone theyre ready (finally) to be hard asses about it

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Originally by: CCP Sreegs

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Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod

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Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 04/04/2011 08:04:19

Originally by: Calistai Huranu

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Weeks vacation over for ccp sreegs, so any news on when we get the Devblog on this?

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I wonder if we arent too mean for him now lol

Id rather like to see them come together and talk TO EACH OTHER on the synergy issue and issue a statement. Theyre acting like they arent in the same company and dont have internal emails or ffs cant talk to each other in person for that matter

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Hey guys it ended today chill out :(

I'll say something about Synergy when we have something to say. I'm aware that the issue's out there. Expect a dev blog in the next week or so but I'd expect more about communicating the ongoing process than I would restating the same things that are available for anyone on youtube at the moment.

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Originally by: Shandir

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CCP Sreegs - any objection to removing the option to A) PLEX, and B) Character Transfer on a 1st and 2nd warning botting account?
Both of these would cripple profitability, while allowing legitimate players to continue playing.

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Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod

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Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 10/04/2011 17:32:10

Originally by: Severian Carnifex

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@ CCP Sreegs:

Can you tell us when we can expect Devblog on this subject?

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Soon(tm) the failboat of the forums comes first

Originally by: Aquila Draco

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Originally by: Shandir

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CCP Sreegs - any objection to removing the option to A) PLEX, and B) Character Transfer on a 1st and 2nd warning botting account?
Both of these would cripple profitability, while allowing legitimate players to continue playing.

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I support underlined part...
so... account that is sanctioned for botting cant use Character Transfer any more...

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as I understand it from what Sreeg already said, they flag the account for botting, hows selling the char matter? unless theyre PLEXxing a new account and selling the botting char to that one... ah I get it

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Originally by: Shandir

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CCP Sreegs - any objection to removing the option to A) PLEX, and B) Character Transfer on a 1st and 2nd warning botting account?
Both of these would cripple profitability, while allowing legitimate players to continue playing.

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Originally by: rock crawlermne

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Edited by: rock crawlermne on 11/04/2011 18:07:13

Originally by: J Kunjeh

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Originally by: Lubomir Penev

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That would crash PLEX market, and CCP somehow like its PLEX despite them being the biggest botting enabler, because they are not content with our subscription money but want their share of the RMT pie too.
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But CCP is far too corrupt to ever do this, lets get real one moment. They tasted the RMT money and they want more, even if this will kill their game medium term...

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*facepalm* Seriously? PLEX is a VERY effective way of combating the RMT'rs from one angle (it's a multifront battle).

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I'll join J Kunjeh in that facepalm

How is removing rights from known bot offenders a bad thing? Seriously? If I cheat in RL, lets say I steal money and I get caught, I go to prison...my rights are removed. If I'm convicted of a fellon in America, I'm no longer allowed to own firearms and vote in most places...my rights are removed.

Read this next part slow and dramattic:

BOTTERS ARE ChEATING REMOVE THEIR RIGHTS!!!

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Originally by: Shandir

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CCP Sreegs - any objection to removing the option to A) PLEX, and B) Character Transfer on a 1st and 2nd warning botting account?
Both of these would cripple profitability, while allowing legitimate players to continue playing.

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Originally by: rock crawlermne

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Edited by: rock crawlermne on 11/04/2011 18:07:13

Originally by: J Kunjeh

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Originally by: Lubomir Penev

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That would crash PLEX market, and CCP somehow like its PLEX despite them being the biggest botting enabler, because they are not content with our subscription money but want their share of the RMT pie too.
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But CCP is far too corrupt to ever do this, lets get real one moment. They tasted the RMT money and they want more, even if this will kill their game medium term...

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*facepalm* Seriously? PLEX is a VERY effective way of combating the RMT'rs from one angle (it's a multifront battle).

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I'll join J Kunjeh in that facepalm

How is removing rights from known bot offenders a bad thing? Seriously? If I cheat in RL, lets say I steal money and I get caught, I go to prison...my rights are removed. If I'm convicted of a fellon in America, I'm no longer allowed to own firearms and vote in most places...my rights are removed.

Read this next part slow and dramattic:

BOTTERS ARE ChEATING REMOVE THEIR RIGHTS!!!

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Originally by: Genetically Different

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How about some reall punishment for botters.....

I have read a little bit of this post.. seems "IF" a RMT is caught he can transfer a toon off a banned account onto a new account ???

How about CCP DELETES THE ACCOUNT ?? ALL THE TOONS AND ALL THE ISK ???
Im talking for the bigguns.

Now thats punishment. hit them in the pocket.

How about any account registered to that person ???
Get serious, If you can prove they are a RMT the do something real.. not a little baby slap.

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Originally by: Johnny FiveAlive

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IP ban all botters and then send ALL the toons that connect into game with that IP to doomheim. You'd loose a good number of players but hey it would clean this game up of these cheats making it a much better game for everyone concerned who plays this legitamately without cheating!

This would help a few issues, isk coming into game would be substancially reduced, and the isk that's on them accounts would be removed from the game forever. Follow the isk trails and remove all isk bought from these toons. There isn't that many isk sinks in this game where isk gets totally removed form game, ie where isk doesn't get constantly recycled player to player. CCP i think wants to reduce the ammount of isk that's in game totally IMHO this would be a quick fix, however it has a knock on effect.

1. The ammount of minerals coming into game would be reduced massively as the markets won't be being floody by minerals these toons were bringing to the game, thus them making the job of the industrialists of mining a means of making isk again like it was 3+ years ago worth doing. Mineral prices would increase and so would everything. Everything cost wise is directly effected by the cost of the minerals in game. Cost of ship would go up, however once a ship is killed thats more isk lost that at presently. The cost of minerals would stablize once people relise the potental isk available in these regions that's available. These regions are dead ATM for a reason and its because of these botters. Rest of eve is way over crowded to hell. You only need to fly through drones to see how dead it is. Increase mineral prices and peeps will return to them as they'd have a reason to do so.
2. The regions these bots presently frequent would become space that is worth fighting for as the minerals these rats drop would be worth our time and effort to loot again or dare i say it mine for them.

sorry for wall of text ramble

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?

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Originally by: Novon Toll

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Mining Bots are big a problem. It'd be less of one if CCP didn't make hulks and mac's able to sit in asteroid fields and rep without worry of destruction in Empire. That and CCP doesn't do anything but 'investigate' when your report bots...

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